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So, I just got back from the film! (And pancakes afterwards.)

The non-spoilery version is: I adored it. James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender lived up to the examples of their illustrious predecessors. It was just as slashy as James McAvoy said it would be. (Um, not that James McAvoy put it in those terms, but ...) While there were a couple of things I didn't like, I thought that it was a wonderful movie in almost every way. Did I mention it was slashy? The scene with the satellite dish damn near killed me. (You will know what I'm talking about when you see it.)

Since almost nobody else has seen it yet, I will avoid posting my spoilery speculations for a few days. However, I thought people might be interested to know how the film fits in with the previous X-Men trilogy and Wolverine. There are no specific spoilers below the cut for anything outside the trailers, just some general impressions.



It's about what everyone thought after seeing the trailers and other material: this is clearly intended to be set in the same universe, but there are some major contradictions. Since the film contains many references to the other films (including one scene that is a shot-for-shot reproduction of something from X1) it's obviously not meant as a pure reboot. It also retcons or ignores a lot of things.

The stuff we already know about from trailers is all as we thought: Emma Frost's role here contradicts what we saw in Wolverine: Origins. Hank's mutated appearance differs markedly from what we saw in X3. Moira's age is also inconsistent with that film. There are at least half a dozen other things that I spotted. It may be worth mentioning that the contradictions are spread evenly across all three films - they're not just wiping X3 and Wolverine out of continuity and keeping the first two. (In fact, one pretty important plot point from X2 gets tossed out the window.)

This didn't particularly bother me in the end, since I'm used to comics where continuity changes on a monthly basis, but it may upset some people. I'll be interested to see how they move forward if the next two movies get greenlit.

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Date: 2011-06-01 03:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flo_nelja
Yaaaay! I adored it!

Moira's age is also inconsistent with that film.
Not only her age, but her accent, occupation, and the state of her relationship with Xavier.
I don't even understand why she's supposed to be Moira. Except that she gets to kiss Charles. ^^ Te part could have been played by Val Cooper or anyone...

In fact, one pretty important plot point from X2 gets tossed out the window.
Which one? I didn't notice.

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Date: 2011-06-04 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] johnnash
I haven't seen it yet and don't mind major spoilers because that's how I cope with my OCD elements, by knowing what to expect, so disregard everything I say as firsthand instead of reacting to what you had to say. That's...a very large plot point to throw out. That's half the movie (between building Cerebro and knowing so much about the mansion that he's of any use to Stryker since 40 years did pass between this period and the kidnap, you would think he had fresh intel). Plus it disgards one of my favorite scenes in the first movie.

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Date: 2011-06-06 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] johnnash
I've been counting contradictions from reviews and trailers, so I knew that part, but it's also the thing that will bug me the most as well, I think. It's such an important part of the second film, and the groundwork is laid in the first film. I suppose, however, this does put some spin on the third film (I hate citing to that) where Hank is so chill about Xavier's desire to find Erik on personal reasons rather than because he's a danger to everyone in the universe.

I suppose I hold movies to a higher standard than comics, partially because of how there have only been four (well, three...two and a half?) as opposed to 70 years of Marvel, how each film is only a couple of hours long, and they change hands and get reset with less frequency than comics. As a result, I'd hope they could fit together more easily than the comic universe, but the impossibility of that given how few films will eat away at my analytical tendencies for a while.

On the other hand, I'm both an Xavier and Magneto fanboy and from what I've read, I should be happy regardless if I can shut that part of my brain up.

The fanfiction realm is definitely going to be different now.

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Date: 2011-06-01 04:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calliopes_pen
Since I'm going to be seeing this movie on Friday, I have one question. Is there another scene following the credits, or is it fine to leave when they begin? (If there is, please don't tell me what it involves)

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Date: 2011-06-01 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Since I'm going to be seeing this movie on Friday, I have one question. Is there another scene following the credits, or is it fine to leave when they begin? (If there is, please don't tell me what it involves)

There is not! My friends and I sat and waiting through all the catering staff and best boys, and nothing.

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Date: 2011-06-02 01:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] evilfuzzydoom
It may have been because we saw a preview screening. I'd be prepared to... "double-check" that hypothesis at some stage.

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Date: 2011-06-02 02:27 am (UTC)
evilfuzzydoom: Me in armour. Borrowed helmet & spear. (Default)
From: [personal profile] evilfuzzydoom
I googled, and apparently there really isn't one.

Bah.

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Date: 2011-06-08 01:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] domarzione
(Greetings from long ago and far away and still on LJ)

I sort of wish they'd gone with Gabrielle Haller instead of Moira. Gabi certainly has a history with a young Charles and Erik and it's a little less of a stretch to have her as an operator. But it wasn't even a venal sin.

The movie was fabulously slashy -- you must have been in clover -- and I think I had a grin on my face for at least the first half. And good lord, that was a lovely Erik.

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Date: 2011-06-08 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I really loved the movie and, like you, am not too bothered by continuity glitches, though I expect the more I sit down and think about it, the more I'll overanalyze things like that.

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