Avengers: Where Are They Now?
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So, via the magic of Australia being the future, I saw Infinity War!
All I am going to say outside of the cut is that those were certainly some action scenes worth waiting a whole decade for.
I have other reactions, but I was totally distracted from them by trying to work out where everyone was at the end of the film. The rest of this post is NOTHING BUT SPOILERS.
... I cannot believe they are going to make us wait A WHOLE YEAR with this as the status quo. And I will be fascinated to see whether the universe is really going to stay like this for A WHOLE YEAR or if the next film will pick up right away without a long time jump. Anyway, here is where every single character is, to the best of my knowledge and recollection. I may have missed something.
Alive and in Wakanda
Black Widow
Bruce Banner - and the other guy, but he doesn't want to come out and play.
Captain America
M'Baku
Okoye
Rocket - I would just like to take a moment to point out how amazingly cruel it is that he's the only Guardian left alive and undissolved at the end of the movie. Not quite as cruel as leaving Drax in that position, but almost.
Thor
War Machine
Alive but Presumably Stuck in Space Until They Find a Ship That Is Not Busted
Iron Man
Nebula
Alive But Does Not Know What He Is In For In The Sequel
Thanos
Definitely For Sure Dead
Corvus Glaive
Cull Obsidian
Ebony Maw
Proxima Midnight
Yeah, I don't expect we will ever see any of these guys again. (Which is fine - they were cool designs with exactly as much personality as they needed to beat on the Avengers for a couple of hours and no more.)
Almost Certainly For Sure Dead
Heimdall - Goddammit! I was really touched by Thor saying Heimdall was his best friend, though. (Depressingly true, since Hela took out the Warriors Three.)
Loki - I don't expect we'll ever see Tom Hiddleston again, but Loki might yet be back as Lady Loki or Kid Loki. Perfect death scene, though!
Gamora - I have no idea what to think about this one. On the one hand, her death makes sense in context, but on the other, Guardians 3 looks like a pretty depressing film if she's gone. And she's the person Thanos is most likely to resurrect.
Vision - Could go either way. He gets rebuilt a lot in the comics, but on the other hand that was a worthy death scene.
The Collector - I mean, probably??? Did we actually see a corpse while Thanos was toying with Gamora?
Dissolved
Black Panther
Bucky Barnes
Doctor Strange
Drax
Falcon
Groot
Mantis
Maria Hill
Nick Fury
Scarlet Witch
Spider-Man
Star-Lord
Obviously none of these will stick - too many people with sequels in the works are on this list. The interesting question is how much of Avengers 4 will pass before the relevant half of the population is returned to life.
Riding In To Save The Day
Captain Marvel - YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS.
Missing In Action
Splitting this one into a few categories.
Ant-Man (Lang) - Presumably his next film is set before Infinity War? I cannot imagine a light-hearted heist film where half the population of the planet has just vanished. Anyway, this also applies to:
Ant-Man (Pym)
Wasp (Hope)
Wasp (Jan)
Hawkeye - Retired, may or may not be dissolved. (He was in the comics, but I'm betting he's not in the MCU.)
Korg - May or may not have been killed in the battle with Thanos?
Miek - See: Korg.
Sif - Hasn't been seen since The Dark World. My working theory is that Loki exiled her while he was pretending to be Odin, but who knows where she is now.
Valkyrie - I have grave fears for her safety since Thor said that Thanos killed half the remaining Asguardians, but on the other hand, I hope they'd have given her an actual death scene if they were going to do that.
May Or May Not Have Dissolved
Giant Peter Dinklage - ... who I bet has an actual name but I did not learn it.
Ned Leeds - We may never know either way since he will certainly be back before the Spider-Man sequel.
Pepper Potts - I vote 'yes' for maximum Tony angst.
Red Skull - What an awesome cameo that was! And I never thought I would say that about Red Skull, lemme tell you.
Shuri - At least, I didn't spot her at the end of the movie?
Thunderbolt Ross - But let's be honest, we all hope he dissolved.
Wong - Fingers crossed someone is currently alive and watching the Sanctum.
... plus literally EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER in the cast of EVERY other MCU film (unless they are already dead). So everyone from Happy Hogan to Howard the Duck may or may not currently exist.
We Don't Know And May Never Find Out Because They Are On TV
Everyone from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Assuming the current season is not their last, I have no idea how the writer's room are going to handle this one. (On the other hand, it would be interesting to see them try! You just know that either Fitz or Simmons would dissolve and the other would be left behind.)
Everyone from the various Netflix shows - I expect them to work around this by quietly setting everything before Infinity War happens or after it's been resolved and not address it at all. (Maybe we'll get a few references to the aftermath in future seasons.)
Everyone from Runaways - Has the vaguest connection to the MCU of any extant Marvel show, so I don't expect they'll ever address this.
Everyone in Cloak and Dagger - Not even on yet! Probably only vaguely connected to the rest of the MCU, much like Runaways.
Will Never Be Mentioned Again Because Their Show Flopped
The Inhuman royal family and the entire population of Attilan that were relocated to Hawaii. *shrug*
All I am going to say outside of the cut is that those were certainly some action scenes worth waiting a whole decade for.
I have other reactions, but I was totally distracted from them by trying to work out where everyone was at the end of the film. The rest of this post is NOTHING BUT SPOILERS.
... I cannot believe they are going to make us wait A WHOLE YEAR with this as the status quo. And I will be fascinated to see whether the universe is really going to stay like this for A WHOLE YEAR or if the next film will pick up right away without a long time jump. Anyway, here is where every single character is, to the best of my knowledge and recollection. I may have missed something.
Alive and in Wakanda
Black Widow
Bruce Banner - and the other guy, but he doesn't want to come out and play.
Captain America
M'Baku
Okoye
Rocket - I would just like to take a moment to point out how amazingly cruel it is that he's the only Guardian left alive and undissolved at the end of the movie. Not quite as cruel as leaving Drax in that position, but almost.
Thor
War Machine
Alive but Presumably Stuck in Space Until They Find a Ship That Is Not Busted
Iron Man
Nebula
Alive But Does Not Know What He Is In For In The Sequel
Thanos
Definitely For Sure Dead
Corvus Glaive
Cull Obsidian
Ebony Maw
Proxima Midnight
Yeah, I don't expect we will ever see any of these guys again. (Which is fine - they were cool designs with exactly as much personality as they needed to beat on the Avengers for a couple of hours and no more.)
Almost Certainly For Sure Dead
Heimdall - Goddammit! I was really touched by Thor saying Heimdall was his best friend, though. (Depressingly true, since Hela took out the Warriors Three.)
Loki - I don't expect we'll ever see Tom Hiddleston again, but Loki might yet be back as Lady Loki or Kid Loki. Perfect death scene, though!
Gamora - I have no idea what to think about this one. On the one hand, her death makes sense in context, but on the other, Guardians 3 looks like a pretty depressing film if she's gone. And she's the person Thanos is most likely to resurrect.
Vision - Could go either way. He gets rebuilt a lot in the comics, but on the other hand that was a worthy death scene.
The Collector - I mean, probably??? Did we actually see a corpse while Thanos was toying with Gamora?
Dissolved
Black Panther
Bucky Barnes
Doctor Strange
Drax
Falcon
Groot
Mantis
Maria Hill
Nick Fury
Scarlet Witch
Spider-Man
Star-Lord
Obviously none of these will stick - too many people with sequels in the works are on this list. The interesting question is how much of Avengers 4 will pass before the relevant half of the population is returned to life.
Riding In To Save The Day
Captain Marvel - YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS.
Missing In Action
Splitting this one into a few categories.
Ant-Man (Lang) - Presumably his next film is set before Infinity War? I cannot imagine a light-hearted heist film where half the population of the planet has just vanished. Anyway, this also applies to:
Ant-Man (Pym)
Wasp (Hope)
Wasp (Jan)
Hawkeye - Retired, may or may not be dissolved. (He was in the comics, but I'm betting he's not in the MCU.)
Korg - May or may not have been killed in the battle with Thanos?
Miek - See: Korg.
Sif - Hasn't been seen since The Dark World. My working theory is that Loki exiled her while he was pretending to be Odin, but who knows where she is now.
Valkyrie - I have grave fears for her safety since Thor said that Thanos killed half the remaining Asguardians, but on the other hand, I hope they'd have given her an actual death scene if they were going to do that.
May Or May Not Have Dissolved
Giant Peter Dinklage - ... who I bet has an actual name but I did not learn it.
Ned Leeds - We may never know either way since he will certainly be back before the Spider-Man sequel.
Pepper Potts - I vote 'yes' for maximum Tony angst.
Red Skull - What an awesome cameo that was! And I never thought I would say that about Red Skull, lemme tell you.
Shuri - At least, I didn't spot her at the end of the movie?
Thunderbolt Ross - But let's be honest, we all hope he dissolved.
Wong - Fingers crossed someone is currently alive and watching the Sanctum.
... plus literally EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER in the cast of EVERY other MCU film (unless they are already dead). So everyone from Happy Hogan to Howard the Duck may or may not currently exist.
We Don't Know And May Never Find Out Because They Are On TV
Everyone from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Assuming the current season is not their last, I have no idea how the writer's room are going to handle this one. (On the other hand, it would be interesting to see them try! You just know that either Fitz or Simmons would dissolve and the other would be left behind.)
Everyone from the various Netflix shows - I expect them to work around this by quietly setting everything before Infinity War happens or after it's been resolved and not address it at all. (Maybe we'll get a few references to the aftermath in future seasons.)
Everyone from Runaways - Has the vaguest connection to the MCU of any extant Marvel show, so I don't expect they'll ever address this.
Everyone in Cloak and Dagger - Not even on yet! Probably only vaguely connected to the rest of the MCU, much like Runaways.
Will Never Be Mentioned Again Because Their Show Flopped
The Inhuman royal family and the entire population of Attilan that were relocated to Hawaii. *shrug*
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Date: 2018-04-29 08:10 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2018-05-21 01:05 pm (UTC)Also, this list is great :)
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Date: 2018-05-21 11:38 pm (UTC)I feel like they could benefit from helpful captions when new characters are introduced!
Also, this list is great :)
Thank you! I'm glad it's of use to someone other than me.
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