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Post Thunderbolts* Thoughts
Yesterday I went and saw Thunderbolts*, which was absolutely delightful! While I haven't been down on recent MCU stuff like a lot of people, I did think this was a very strong entry, one of my favourite things they've ever done. Excellent ensemble cast, and it maintained a good blend of action and comedy while also dealing with some serious themes. Definitely recommended.
As usual there is both a mid-credits and post-credits scene, the latter of which left me speculating ...
So we find out via a team conversation that Sam Wilson is not happy about the New Avengers and his forming his own version. It makes perfect sense that he'd feel that way. The U.S. government was already on thin ice with him after he found out about Isiah Bradley, and then Brave New World happened and now they've got a team made up of former assassins, a disgraced Russian supersoldier and John fucking Walker on the Wheaties boxes calling themselves Avengers. Hardly surprising that Sam doesn't see Bucky's side of it.
However, this leaves us with a conundrum: who is even going to be in Sam's team? Not much point yelling 'Avengers assemble!' if there's nobody to rally. I assume Falcon is a given, probably Ant-Man too, but who else?
It's not that the MCU is short on superheroes! But once you take out all the people who are dead (Tony, Natasha and Wanda), retired (Clint and Bruce), in space (Thor and Carol), in space and also another dimension (Monica), busy doing other important jobs (Stephen, Wong and Shuri) the list of potential recruits starts to look a bit thin. Now eliminate all the people Sam doesn't know or wouldn't ask or who would say no even if he did ask (Daredevil, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Shang-Chi, Star-Lord, Spider-Man because of the mindwipe, Vision because Sam presumably still thinks he's dead.) Meanwhile Kamala is out there forming her own youth team with Kate (and maybe Riri and/or Cassie?) further shrinking the potential roster. It's not like he can just pop down to the beach and ask Namor to be an Avenger.
I think that for maximum comedy value it should turn out that Sam's squad is just himself, Joquin and Scott. Then we end up with one team full of ex-black ops losers and one that doesn't even fill up a standard size car. Maximum opportunities for everyone to roast each other, and a good reason for them to combine the team that has actual credibility with the team that has (wo)manpower to fight the greater threat once everyone gets over themselves. Hopefully in tandem with the Fantastic Four some people who have arrived back from space or taken a break from their regular gigs, because it's probably going to take more than punching, shooting, wings and Ant-Man's power set to beat Doctor Doom ...
As usual there is both a mid-credits and post-credits scene, the latter of which left me speculating ...
So we find out via a team conversation that Sam Wilson is not happy about the New Avengers and his forming his own version. It makes perfect sense that he'd feel that way. The U.S. government was already on thin ice with him after he found out about Isiah Bradley, and then Brave New World happened and now they've got a team made up of former assassins, a disgraced Russian supersoldier and John fucking Walker on the Wheaties boxes calling themselves Avengers. Hardly surprising that Sam doesn't see Bucky's side of it.
However, this leaves us with a conundrum: who is even going to be in Sam's team? Not much point yelling 'Avengers assemble!' if there's nobody to rally. I assume Falcon is a given, probably Ant-Man too, but who else?
It's not that the MCU is short on superheroes! But once you take out all the people who are dead (Tony, Natasha and Wanda), retired (Clint and Bruce), in space (Thor and Carol), in space and also another dimension (Monica), busy doing other important jobs (Stephen, Wong and Shuri) the list of potential recruits starts to look a bit thin. Now eliminate all the people Sam doesn't know or wouldn't ask or who would say no even if he did ask (Daredevil, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Shang-Chi, Star-Lord, Spider-Man because of the mindwipe, Vision because Sam presumably still thinks he's dead.) Meanwhile Kamala is out there forming her own youth team with Kate (and maybe Riri and/or Cassie?) further shrinking the potential roster. It's not like he can just pop down to the beach and ask Namor to be an Avenger.
I think that for maximum comedy value it should turn out that Sam's squad is just himself, Joquin and Scott. Then we end up with one team full of ex-black ops losers and one that doesn't even fill up a standard size car. Maximum opportunities for everyone to roast each other, and a good reason for them to combine the team that has actual credibility with the team that has (wo)manpower to fight the greater threat once everyone gets over themselves. Hopefully in tandem with the Fantastic Four some people who have arrived back from space or taken a break from their regular gigs, because it's probably going to take more than punching, shooting, wings and Ant-Man's power set to beat Doctor Doom ...